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Building a Strong Community - Things We Can Do

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June 19, 2008 11:35 PM  Views:258   Favorited:0 Comments:9
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Author: Steven Dempsey Filed Under:  community, critic, criticism, etiquette
Website: Pine Lake Films Tags:  community, critic, criticism
 

ExposureRoom benefits its users in many ways but, for me at least, I look at it as a place to learn and be inspired. What makes a community like this work is participation.

Participation takes a lot of work and that can be hard given that many of us are coming from post-MTV generations with attention spans shorter than that of a gnat (of course, some of us simply don't have the time because of our busy and productive lives). For instance, we love the classic one-liners when giving feedback. Here's a sampling:

"Looks great"
"Wow"
"LOL"
"What settings did you use"
"Who's the chick?"
"I loved it"
"Nice work"
"LOL"
"Cool"
"Looks nice"
"Who's the chick?"

None of this commentary requires any commitment of time and/or effort from the authors. It also doesn't help the owner of the work one little bit. For the most part, whether good or bad, people who post their work have put quite a bit of time and effort to get it to the point of being presentable. It has taken some people months to even work up the courage to post their meager efforts in the hopes that other users won't be too hard on them.

We all fear rejection and are sometimes relieved by a simple "looks great". It's almost like we just want to grab that one comment and run with it. I think this kind of commentary can be more damaging than good. No thought has gone into those words. Maybe the person posting really did think it was great but I think it is an obligation for them to explain what made it great. Similarly, it is also a viewer's responsibility to give negative feedback if there is a good reason for it.

It's difficult on both sides sometimes. Viewers don't want to offend their fellow filmmakers so they make harmless comments of encouragement. The contributor of the work also doesn't want to be offended and is reluctant to be too demanding of honest feedback. So we reach an impasse or standoff, I don’t know which.

Result: no one is offended and no one learns anything. The next time the contributor shoots something, they make the same old mistakes. They don't realize that the quality of their work is less than the best they can do and they fail to ever rise from the ditch of mediocrity.

What am I saying here? I'm glad you asked because I was beginning to wonder that myself. I love bullet points so let's do some.

For those posting their work:

1. Approach ExposureRoom as a place to learn and teach.

2. Keep an open mind when your work is criticized.

3. Don't defend your work unless it is absolutely necessary. If a viewer has a negative response to your masterpiece and it is backed up with substantial reasoning, it cannot be ignored. Look at it and take what you think is valuable and leave the rest. Don't get defensive because if you believe in your own work, you really do not have to prove yourself to anyone. Remember that there is no penultimate opinion. Everyone's thoughts are subjective deriving from a lifetime of unique experiences that conspire to develop personal preferences.

4. Don't be lazy. Make the work you post be the best it can be.

5. Take pride in your work. Don't make excuses when you post your work. Make it attractive to people so they will actually look at it. Typical posts I see include: "I just slapped this together," "the quality is really bad," "I had no tripod," etc., etc. Let your work speak for itself. If you feel you can't post it without a bunch of excuses, don't post it. Work on it some more or go shoot some more.

For those leaving comments:

1. Be kind but honest. You don't have to insult someone to get the point across that they don't have much experience or their work is bad.

2. Give only constructive criticism. Help to make people better at what they do. Tell them what you liked and what you didn't like. Give them the gift of your time and they will reap the benefits.

3. Don't go off topic with juvenile tangents such as "LOL", "that's what she said", etc. Threads like this get bloated and sometimes the posted work is completely ignored. Respect the owner of the work.

4. If you are going to comment on someone's work, please make sure that you really look at the film or clip and that your comments accurately reflect how you feel. If you are distracted and don't understand a concept, it may not be the filmmaker's fault.

By slowing down a bit and really absorbing the work of some tremendous talent on ExposureRoom, you will have a richer experience. Oh, and one more thing…don’t quickly scan through films and then comment. This is a really bad habit.

In summary:

Constructive criticism is a positive thing, even if the comments are negative, so be honest and write something of substance. Be respectful of the people on whose work you are commenting.

If you post work, be prepared to accept constructive criticism and try to learn from what is being said. Respect the people who comment on your work because they are giving you their time and you should appreciate that (unless they are just being mean-spirited).

Adhering to these simple suggestions can make for a thriving community where there is a fertile ground for teaching and learning and where friendships can flourish. We all win and, let's face it, who doesn’t want that?

 

 

Comments



Shiv Kumar    June 20, 2008 12:10 AM

Nice!

Steven Dempsey    June 20, 2008 12:11 AM

Shiv, your comment makes you guilty of what I have described as bad practice :)

Shiv Kumar    June 20, 2008 12:25 AM

Just pulling your leg with that previous comment.

Steven,

I love that you speak your mind. The points you bring up are so true and something I think about all the time but never really voiced. For me giving my opinion about someone’s work in this field is never a LOL or Wow. I mean I'm not, not trying to do that either, but I do keep in mind the very things you mention here. This stuff takes time and 9 times out of 10 the person posting it has put their best foot forward, so it's important (as you say) that you give them your opinion. Even it if it's just as a viewer (like I do most times), because, at the end of the day, eventually people here will have viewers looking at their stuff.

It’s also important for the poster to acknowledge the time it took people to comment and to take comments in a good spirit. There have been times, when I taken the time to view someone’s work, over and over again, gathering my thoughts, providing my opinion as best as I can and get a “Thanks” in return or sometimes nothing at all. So I guess it should work both ways.

When I post stuff I truly want to hear the things I messed up and the things I could tweak just a bit to make a huge difference and of course the things I did do right (if any).

When we were designing ExposureRoom and were looking at the comments and ratings aspect, we didn't want to force having to comment just to rate, for this very reason. Some sites do that; Can't remember which now. So our rating's have those very "comments" (the hint you see when you mouse over the rating options), so you don't take up bandwidth, if all you want to say is "Nice!" or "I love it".

Shiv Kumar    June 20, 2008 12:27 AM

Now if you'd just wait a minute! I speak really fast, but when I write, because my mind is 4 sentences ahead of my fingers it take more time.

Shiv Kumar    June 20, 2008 12:32 AM

You know, I agree with you when you say, “Don't make excuses when you post your work”. However some of us do have a hard time with this stuff and we know we messed up somewhere and it can’t be undone (for whatever reason) and yet, we’d like to post our work and get an opinion from our peers on other stuff, kind of like “I know it would have been better if I had done this or that, so ignore that for now and let me know what you think of the rest”.

What do suggest in such a situation?

Steven Dempsey    June 20, 2008 12:43 AM

I would suggest an acknowledgment of the flaws of the piece but say they are open to opinions both good and bad. Really, my point is to make it somewhat attractive for people to watch it....some of these files take a while to download so I don't want to completely waste my time if someone says "this is a complete piece of crap but download it anyway and see if you agree"...an exaggeration to be sure but the point is made.

Will Mahoney    June 20, 2008 12:01 PM

I agree with you completely. It's a whole community aspect to things that I really dig.

Now, it may not be the best feeling to read someone's negative comments, but it can make you a better filmmaker. And if the poster of said comments has enough tact to express their negative feelings in a constructive way, so much the better.

For example, on one of my recent videos there was some strobing happening to a piece of footage I slowed down. I didn't like it, but I'm inexperienced and thought, "well, I can't reshoot it. I'll just live with it."

Well, one of the helpful commentors mentioned that the stobing essentially pulled him right out of the video and killed the whole thing for him. But what was great was that he explained the problem intelligently, really getting to the core of what was wrong, and then explained how it probably happened (in my NLE) and how to fix/minimize this in the future. Very helpful. I did end up fixing this problem and am happy to say that the shot is now nice-n-smooth (though I can't get Elements to spit out the new version for me to upload!!!)

I'm getting off track. What I wanted to really point out was that I get a feeling for the other members by reading their comments. If someone has a short "Nice one" or "I liked it" comment, I just skim right over.

But if the comment is long, or at least a few sentences, and thoughtful and intelligent, I'll most likely click on their name and see what they are doing. I'll at least watch one of their videos and comment on it. And if I like it I may watch others.

Comments help people find other people.

Carl Adams    June 25, 2008 07:28 PM

Hi Steven,
I would just like to say that I could not agree with you more, though I do prefer people to at least post Looks nice, Good work etc instead of nothing as this makes be feel like someone has liked it enough to comment. But as Will pointed we tend to skim over them. LOL just shows the immaturity of the person posting and should be kept for teenage chat rooms.

I personally will either leave a short brief (couple of sentences) if I don't have much time, or if I am really impressed or passionate about something, I tend to go into one and virtually write an essay and waffle on a bit. It's also nice when one gets a reply from something they have posted as this starts a conversation, and that's what a community is all about.

I take constructive criticism with open arms and then will check out that persons work so I can then evaluate the worthiness of their comments. Then I can either take onboard what has been said and probe for more info, reasons etc or ignore it. Will's example of how something was explained and how to fix thing's is absolutely 1st class and it's nice when members take the time to help.

I really appreciate it when someone like yourself takes the time to be bothered to write articles and tutorials to help us fellow XR members. I find some of these really helpful and take onboard what has been said, for example Helpful Hints for a Successful Shoot and How to make an effective demo reel, I learnt a few small thing's. I shall now make use of my camera's color bars, and you have given me something to think about for making my showreel! They maybe only small thing's, but it all helps, and for others it could be even more helpful.

Keep up the good work Steven and many thanks...

paul langereis    September 01, 2008 02:11 AM

I agree with what everyone has said in this series of posts. Being fairly new to video, I appreciate any help I can get. Steven hit the nail on the head when he commented on being able to accept constructive criticism, and not get defensive. Being a grade 7 teacher, I am constantly having to evaluate kids' academic performances etc, and I always have a talk with my class about the difference between merely slamming someone's work, and providing constructive criticism. I really appreciate this post as it puts me at ease in terms of the people that are using this site. Even though I am still fairly new at all of this, I really do put a lot of time into my editing, as well as my shooting skills. There is a lot to learn, and it is nice that others are willing to help each other out with advice (constructive criticism). I appreciate your candor, Steven, as well as the others that have shared their thoughts in this post. To me, community is what it is all about, and that is a fundamental concept in life, if we want to contribute in a positive manner. Cheers.



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